Izel: Hi. How are you?
Rosie: Can you hear me well?
Izel: Yes. Very good.
Rosie: good. Good. I'm good.
Izel: Okay, everyone. Good evening. thank you for joining us.
Izel: today, we have a special episode because we have a special guest and Rosie is our first guest in this episode.
Izel: Rosie, is a registered dietitian.
Izel: And today, we just want to her to be with us to talk about how we can support our, children, to have a balanced diet and eating habits.
Izel: it will be very nice for us. thank you for accepting. You will see.
Izel: How are you today?
Rosie: Thank you. I'm actually super nervous.
Rosie: It's my first time doing a live, and it's definitely my first time doing it in English, I hope it's gonna be okay.
Izel: Yeah.
Izel: Forgive us for this challenge. Yeah. Great.
Izel: would you like to start with the question who is Rosie?
Rosie: Yeah. Sure. I'm a I can definitely describe myself as a as a foot lover.
Rosie: I love everything about foot. I'm originally concerned living today in Salavir for 13 years now.
Rosie: married to Leon. as you say, I'm a and the registered dietitian working with, children, mostly children and family nutrition.
Rosie: That's all. That's all I guess. That's my love.
Izel: Great. Great. thank you. So my second question is also about you.
Izel: why did you decide to be a nutritionist or dietitian.
Rosie: Okay. So that's a long story.
Rosie: I can say if you would tell me 10 years ago that I'm gonna be a dietitian one day, I would love a blog.
Rosie: That's for sure. so 10 years ago, I was I was a baker.
Rosie: I finished my VA in economic science in France. And then I moved to Israel and I became a bakery.
Rosie: It was my child who's willing to open my own bakery.
Rosie: So, I studied it and I was working in the hotels in different bakeries here in Israel.
Rosie: And then in order to open my own place, I wanted to to build my brand salvied.
Rosie: So I started to work from home.
Rosie: And my days were all the time, like flour, sugar, butter, chocolate, lots of different and process, stuff.
Rosie: And as I was making them, I was always also eating them. Tastings were more like eating.
Rosie: So I wasn't gaining weight.
Rosie: I was still fit we can say, but, I felt in my body the difference.
Rosie: I was getting weaker, by the time I I have examined cavities.
Rosie: my immune system has affected that are clearly affected.
Rosie: I had a Syanatists, angina, all the time, but all the time.
Rosie: So I was looking for a solution so that I can feel better and happier because to to be a baker, you really need to be strong, especially in the a holiday times.
Rosie: And there are lots of holidays in Israel.
Rosie: You know, so I started to look for solutions And then when I realized that doctors couldn't help me, I turned my face to to nutrition.
Rosie: And then I, I did something very extreme.
Rosie: And I did a raw vegan diet for 3 months.
Rosie: And, I found the difference in a very, very good way.
Rosie: And the I realized how much we have power with nutrition. You know?
Rosie: I realized that I cannot change my genetics cannot change the fact that if I was born, you know, with the cesarean or normal words or if I was breastfed or not.
Izel: Yes.
Rosie: there are lots of stuff that's they're like, this is the fact, and you cannot change it.
Rosie: By nutrition, you can change, and you can really see and affect at the same time.
Rosie: So that was my case. And once I changed my diet, I just didn't want it to go back because I was afraid because if I would choose to make those stuff for the rest of my life, then it the meeting was I would eat those stuff for the rest of my life.
Rosie: And I didn't want to do that for myself. So I was sorry to six years old.
Rosie: Girl and who didn't know what to do. So I said, okay. I'm gonna study nutrition.
Rosie: And then that's what I did. I went to Hebrew North have an MBA and then the exam of the health ministry, the whole package.
Rosie: And after 4 years, they became a registered dietitian.
Izel: Well, other journey.
Rosie: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Izel: It's great to hear that you feel much more better first of all.
Rosie: Yeah.
Izel: And it's great that you want to share what you learned and the power of really having the power of changing your, reality and your future and trying to help others.
Izel: Yeah. It's great.
Rosie: And I have to say that, when the problem is extreme done, the solution should be stream, but for lots of people, that's not the case.
Rosie: You know, they're more in the gray area. It's not black or white.
Rosie: So it's not that now I am commanding everyone to become a rowing.
Rosie: That's not the diet that I'm doing today.
Rosie: I have much more relaxed, diet, but for the time, I have this extreme, in balance in my body.
Rosie: So that was a solution for me, but it doesn't mean that I encourage people to to be this this kind of diet especially with that, supervision.
Izel: Yeah. Using the nutrition as the, therapeutic touch and for a a short period or some period of time just to heal and then just get back to a more balance or I don't know how what to say, but more, smoother diets would be, yeah, good enough, I guess.
Izel: Okay. Great. And one last question about yourself also in order that our, audience can know you better.
Izel: what is your passion about being nutritionist? Do you have a specific, passion about it?
Rosie: Yeah. And it's definitely children nutrition.
Rosie: You know, as I said, I'm a pediatric nutritionist, and I've always been very, very into children and psychology.
Rosie: And that's why I I love, working with, parents so that I can really touch to their children.
And, you know, when I say children, it's more like family nutrition and it's it's more like I'm working with moms, you know, because when a one woman changed her diet and decided to make the meals at home differently, then it affects directly the the all of the members of
Rosie: the family.
Izel: So powerful.
Rosie: Yeah. Yeah. You
Izel: know I definitely thank you.
Rosie: Parents and children.
Izel: Great. Okay. Okay? okay.
Izel: Now the main question, what does, clean nutrition means for you means for you?
Rosie: Clean attrition. You know, my motto is a let nature nourish you. And I literally mean it.
Rosie: Clean diet it definitely has an intense connection with, with nature.
Izel: Mhmm.
Rosie: You know, it's a diet that, would minimize, processed food and, without all the preservatives that we don't even know the names.
Rosie: I really don't want my stomach and intestines to deal with this kind of stuff.
Rosie: clean nights also means, to enjoy my meal, you know, to to have good emotions while eating to really enjoy it, not to starve myself, not to over eat, not to be ashamed of what I'm eating, even if it's a super sugary doughnuts or whatever it is.
Rosie: It's also having clean the, yeah, talks about the food. And, if possible, I would say organic.
Rosie: If not, at least, fresh as much as possible, you know, I I don't wanna, eat from the food that does not get rotten or, even that the is, or flies don't come to.
Rosie: So I don't wanna eat plastics.
Rosie: I I really believe in this saying that they say don't eat anything.
Rosie: Your great grandmother wouldn't recognize as food. So I think it's really in lockdown for me. You know? Yeah.
Rosie: So it should be, it should be, if possible, organic or not fresh, and it should be the least process.
Izel: Yeah. Great insights.
Rosie: What is going on for you?
Izel: Yeah. I think pretty similar, I guess.
Izel: Clean means for you, for me is, really what is natural.
Izel: And, as you said, what nature gives us provides us and it doesn't necessarily for me.
Izel: It needs to be raw. we can cook, etcetera because we know as the human species, what we get us to be on top of the, other creatures is that we are, heating actually the food, and we can get the nutrition out of the food, better and faster.
Izel: but still, as minimal as we can process them. I don't know.
Izel: Olive oil is the minimal process. Still there's process.
Izel: If it can be take the order, the oil from the olives.
Izel: but, yeah, mainly the from the nature, vegetables and clean for me is also, as you said, that we, also I think there's a component of buying from the, local market and not pinging the food from the other side of the, earth
Rosie: Yeah.
Izel: And, it's not good for the environment, of course. so this was a part of it. Just tired.
Izel: Yeah. Yeah.
Rosie: Just so we clear, by the way, I didn't mean, when I say less process, I mean, not ultra processed food that comes with the packages.
Rosie: I cook my meals as well. Yes. So today, I'm all for cooking.
Izel: Yeah. so how we can get to this clean nutrition for our kids, especially how we can get there and how we can help them to get there.
Rosie: Yeah. Okay. So, this, I can say there's a 2 aspects for me in children's nutrition.
Rosie: I will put the children in the middle, and, I can say for the let's say parents or main care caregiver, I don't care.
Rosie: let's call it parents for now. So the parents' nutritional knowledge and the parents' behavior.
Rosie: You know, it's that's what makes in the end the clean when because when we stay clean.
Rosie: It's not only the physical, eating. Right?
Rosie: It's also the emotions that comes with it, and it's also having, a healthy relationship with food, I guess.
Izel: Okay.
Rosie: So, yeah, so there is these two aspects that, this is very important.
Rosie: So let's say an an example, let's I don't know.
Rosie: Let's say that there's a three years old, toddler.
Rosie: And the the parents' nutritional knowledge should be that they should know that the brain is still developing the omega tree acids and the DHA and the healthy fats.
Rosie: It's very, very important. they should know that the children need lots of protein.
Rosie: They should know that, fiber is, important. Ireland is important.
Rosie: it's very important to have, enough of all the vitamins and minerals for the kid.
Rosie: And the the behavioral part means that if the children doesn't eat Emile.
Rosie: It's not begging him or trying to distract him with other stuff so that they can push the on in the in the month of the child.
Rosie: Yeah. That's not something that we wanna do.
Rosie: So it's understanding what's going on in this period of time in children's life.
Rosie: It's also emotionally and also physically understanding his needs. And giving them their needs.
Rosie: I also understanding their needs emotionally because if
Rosie: doesn't eat is he sick? Is he slept well? is he missing something?
Rosie: Is he trying to tell us something, you know, trying to understand him.
Izel: Yep.
Rosie: And I think, like, yeah, itching is very survival. reflects.
Rosie: So I believe if a parent has good intentions, and I believe that everyone who buys stuff and everyone around me has good intentions.
Rosie: So their children probably won't die because of starting.
Rosie: You know, if they don't eat one day, maybe about dehydration, we should be really careful, but without eating one day or 2 days, nothing's gonna happen.
Rosie: So instead of trying to push the child and trying to make him do stuff just because we want it or we feel better with it, it's not it's not a good way.
Rosie: It's gonna harm the relationship of a parent with its their children are also the relationship of the children with the with food Yeah.
Rosie: With feelings. So so that's not something that we wanna do.
Rosie: And there is this, division of the responsibilities of children and parents
Izel: Yeah.
there's a model that's, as a starter, developed, and She really make a difference, like, differentiations between the parents' responsibilities, which are you know, making the meal, full of protein and the grains or stretch through a few vegetables and fruits and
Rosie: the green leaf.
Rosie: And, also deciding the location and timing, you know, making a time, table and schedule from children.
Rosie: And the children's, responsibility is to decide whether is gonna eat it. And Mhmm. Yes.
Rosie: how much it's gonna eat now?
Izel: Mhmm. Okay. Yeah. That definitely a lot of, dilemmas, I guess, for the parents, day to day, including me, of course, to support my child to eat properly.
Izel: And, also, it's the question what is properly, but, yeah, we are talking about it today.
Izel: Also, and his reaction to it.
Izel: so this is also depending on the period the, like, the which age he or she is, the certain level of age, I I I know that he was really, let's say, my son was eating like Broccoli, like, as the best candy.
Izel: And now now she's he's just ignoring it and not eating it. So it depends on the ages.
Izel: Sometimes, yeah, they're getting away from the vegetables sometime. by the way, maybe quick question.
Izel: If they reject and, the night to eat vegetables in a some some time period of their age.
Izel: what would you suggest maybe how we can support them to or eat, or if they're not eating, what to do about it?
Rosie: Okay. So it's not easy, and it's, you know, I have, also lots of parents who are asking me that.
Rosie: And, when I asked where they're really, afraid and frustrated also from my answers to that.
Rosie: But I would say take a step back and just try to understand what's going on in this specific time in the life of the children.
Rosie: You know? Let's say It's his sleep. well, again, the is he changed his kindergarten?
Rosie: is he moved to another place? Is a main caregiver where it started working?
Rosie: if there's a new member in the family, You know, what's what's happening? What's going on?
Rosie: Also, there's this different times where they don't they have so tiny stomachs that, if they need the if they are in the pickup for growth, then they need more protein.
Rosie: So they would prefer the carbs and the protein instead of the fiber because fibers, makes them really full.
Rosie: And they have their own, insuffessionals. And knowledge. So they would prefer.
Rosie: So it's a protein instead of, fiber.
Rosie: So it's the understanding what's going on, and I'm sure even if they start not to it's a couple of stuff, they still keep eating, other stuff that they used to.
Rosie: So, you know, not pushing it him and all the time trying to not trying, even, you know, you shouldn't try, but it's just offering him, these mails in a different time.
Rosie: Of, and also engaging the children, to to cope with you, you can tell him what you wanna eat tonight and you can put together.
Rosie: You can even first go to supermarket together or to local markets if it's convenience and then cook together.
Izel: Uh-huh.
Rosie: And then while cooking, you know, talking about different vitamins and nutrition nutrients that this specific food has.
Rosie: And then just leaving the responsibility to the children because you won't be there for the for their whole life.
Rosie: And, you know, the parents, they they like to control everything when the when the totals are young, but it's, they're growing so fast that at the age of ten, I can say for Israel, at the age of ten, the children will take money and go outside and we'll decide what he's gonna eat.
Rosie: So you really you really wanna, make let him make his own decisions and not Yeah.
Rosie: Forcing him. And, also, if you force him, he may realize that there's, wait, there's an interaction here.
Rosie: There's an FX here. And if there's something else that he he's not happy with his life, and he don't have to tell it to you.
Rosie: He can use feeding time to tell you how he's upset about his life.
Rosie: You know, if it makes you frustrated or angry or, you know, he can use this these times to just express his feelings also about his life.
Rosie: So I say, like, if you are trying too hard, it means that there's something, that you should change, first of all.
Izel: Yeah. Great. So first of all, I hear really you, your approach is very holistic when you say to see where he's like, the the environment to see the environment and the emotional state, to to check to understand what's going on with him.
Izel: So it's really great. from my son, I know that whenever he has a emotional challenge, the first thing that he is doing, is not eating like, not even sitting to the table with us in general, he's really enjoying.
Izel: and then we understand there's got something going on.
Izel: When he doesn't eat, we know that there's something going on with him.
Izel: So we just try to be, of course, patient and also be with him and Sometimes way, sometimes ask some questions.
Izel: so it's nice also like the dining table.
Izel: Really, it's really great, opportunity for us to be with him to spend time with him and not just to eat and get the nutrition.
Izel: Yeah. emotional nutrition is also there. When we sit together as a family. So it's nice.
Rosie: Yeah. I understand. Nutrition problems. It's rarely about nutrition.
Izel: Yeah. Good point. Yeah.
Izel: so, anyway, we just answered to this area, but I just wanted to do the the switch from the nutrition and what we eat exactly to the, eating behavior.
Izel: So And maybe we can start maybe from the other side of it.
Izel: are there any big no noes not to do for parents for them to not to destroy the emotional part of the, like, eating behaviors?
Rosie: Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Definitely, I can say.
Rosie: So, 1st of all, you know, it starts from the age one, but let's take it to the 6 months.
Rosie: You know, let's take the let's make the start point point, when they start to solve this journey.
Rosie: So we we talk about the differentiation of the responsibilities. So it started at this point.
Rosie: And then there's 2 types of children usually from what I see.
Rosie: of course, there are lots of different cases, but, you know, I won't put it in 2 categories.
Rosie: There are one category that, when you give food, and if they eat it, they see that you are very, very happy and they see that you are satisfied and they just want to be connected with you and they say, okay, my mom is happy is, so I should keep doing that.
Rosie: So, you know?
Izel: Yeah.
Rosie: And this is something that in the end, maybe the parents thinks that, yeah, my children is really problematic.
Rosie: He is whatever I give, and he's growing well, and he's a good kid.
Rosie: But, you know, the children the child shouldn't do everything that you want them to do.
Rosie: You want also reverse this child.
Rosie: That's reality so that they can develop and they can be in the pilot event.
Rosie: And the other scenario is that that you are trying so hard that they feel the pressure on them.
Rosie: Imagine yourself that you are trying to eat and some and you are trying a new food And, you know, usually it's at least one, but usually more than one people are on your head looking to you and trying to put food in your mouth.
Rosie: It's it's it's really not nice. And lots of times, whatever this category you are.
Rosie: And if it continues your whole life,
Izel: you
Rosie: know, I can also see at 5 at the age of five years old, parents trying to put foot in, in the month of their child.
Rosie: And, also, they are driving him with, you know, they will say, you cannot eat ice cream if you don't eat this, broccoli or if you don't finish your meatball, we want to get to the pool, like, stuff like, you know?
Izel: Yeah.
Rosie: So when you write to the room down, they understand that, okay.
Rosie: What I'm doing now up, it's boring, and it's bad. And what I'm gonna get, it's an amazing thing.
Izel: Yeah.
Rosie: And you really don't want to these are children that you you you want to be not, really natural and not showing any feelings.
Rosie: And also, if you are feeling lots of feelings about, you know, if you have lots of emotions that comes, then you should look to yourself.
Rosie: Why? Why am I so stressed about because you shouldn't be.
Rosie: If you did your responsibility, your part, if you, bought, like, a good ingredients and you make a good meal for your children.
Rosie: And if you are preparing the safe environment for them to eat, without this quiz and without any interactions, without toys, then you should be really like, okay with your staff.
Rosie: And If they don't eat it and you still feel bad, then there's a work to do, for parents with himself.
Izel: Yeah.
Rosie: So a big for me would be grabbing also trying to distract the child with screens or even toys or, like, even a book.
Rosie: I like, you you really want your child to be concentrated so to his foot while eating, you know, and it will take, like, not more than 20 maximum 30 minutes even less because if they're hungry, they're gonna eat in 10, 20 minutes.
Rosie: Mhmm. Maybe at the beginning, a bit more, but still it's not gonna be a long time.
Rosie: So I would say really trying too hard. It's a big no.
Rosie: And for that, I can give a tip if you are making specific food for your children, then maybe you should try to make a more, food that works for all the family and all the members.
Rosie: And, so if one of them don't eat it, you don't get frustrated, you know, because otherwise it's really not nice to to make a meal for 2 hours, 3 hours.
Rosie: And then the child said, no, I don't wanna feel like you're having it today. You know?
Rosie: And the second big, you know, like, yeah, whiskers are grabbing and not the distracting.
Rosie: And, yeah, really, I I would say pushing too hard and also tagging, children, like, saying stuff, like, when you go around to other people's place or social places, like, you can say, no, my child doesn't eat broccoli.
Rosie: No, my child doesn't eat your balance, stuff like that because they can change their mind every day.
Rosie: You know, they can, decide something different.
Rosie: Maybe they They saw this broccally quiche and they really wanna have a bite.
Rosie: And when you say no, he doesn't like it, you you really close the door for him.
Rosie: And you you don't wanna do it. You you really should let him, discover new stuff every day.
Rosie: Yeah. With this stuff, it's a it's a good start.
Izel: Yeah. Great stuff. Thank you. okay.
Izel: Before I will ask my last question and course, you can add whatever whatever you want.
Izel: And also our audience can ask questions, by the way.
Izel: one of the questions that I saw is that they're asking about the name of the author that you mentioned.
Izel: You can you mentioned her
Rosie: The division of the responsible of this.
Izel: Yep.
Rosie: Yeah. It's Alan Satter. Okay. I can write it, in the comment.
Izel: in the chat. Yeah. Right. Okay.
Rosie: Yeah. I'll just check.
Rosie: I think that's the name, but, I hope I'm not.
Izel: Yeah. Great. Thank you.
Izel: yeah, also we can get some questions, but, in between, Actually, my last question is that we talked about what not to do in order to not disrupt their, eating behavior.
Izel: But how we can really support.
Izel: And you mentioned actually, one of the things that I really remember and made me resonate with me is that cooking with them and taking them to the, yeah, to the store and buy it together and then maybe on the way explain.
Izel: A bit maybe creativity together, make it maybe playful a bit a great idea.
Izel: Do we have other last ideas to just support and make it more positive for them.
Rosie: Yeah. So we can teach them also, about the different hunger types
Izel: you
know, so that they can, learn more about their body and understand their body, you know, because there's this physical hunger that we don't eat lots of hours and we need food, but there is also, you know, they, they watch, on the TV, a show, and suddenly they can say, I'm hungry, because they saw just a
Rosie: burger, and they feel like eating, but they're not really, you know, So differentiation between these hungers or just the smell of something may they may feel that they they wanna eat it, but they are not really hungry.
Rosie: Or even when they are bored or nobody Really, this is to them.
Rosie: They can go to to kitchen to to search for for some food.
Rosie: So I would say you know, talking to them, not on the table, but, like, when they are doing different stuff about their body, asking questions, trying to understand them.
Rosie: And, when they are cooking with you or when you are doing shopping, and giving them options, you know, that not not just tonight, we're gonna have this and this, but, of course, you should have boundaries, and it's not that they're gonna choose from all of the meals, of the world.
Rosie: They cannot say, yeah. Tonight, I I wanna have sushi. And if you don't make sushi, I'm not gonna eat.
Rosie: That's not what I mean. But, you know, you can give them some freedom inside of the boundaries.
Izel: Yeah.
Rosie: And, really, teaching them, trusting them because they're so intelligent when you once you give them the the opportunity to decide for that stuff you can let them, put the put the food on there on, plates.
Rosie: And not serving for them so that they will decide from what they're gonna have and how much.
Rosie: And not doing a big drama if they don't finish their food because probably they are food and you don't wanna, harm the regulation that they have with the appetite
Izel: Yeah.
Rosie: The hunger and the formal system. So it's like less doing, but more being for them. You know?
Izel: Yeah. I hear a lot of, like, mindfulness around also their sensations on their body, how food affect them, and emotions sometimes, of course, connected.
Izel: And also being mindful about the the what, as you said, with which type of the hunger they have and accordingly, to eat or not to eat, maybe decide to do something else instead of eating.
Izel: that's great because, it's not for the children only.
Izel: Also, it does be sometimes have, a challenge about really understanding what's going on inside of us when we are used to not to listen to our bodies.
Izel: Yeah. So it's a great reminder. Thank you for that.
Rosie: Yeah. we should model. We should model that and they will mirror us. You know?
Izel: Exactly. Learn from Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So these were my questions.
Izel: If you want to add something else, of course, I would like to hear.
Izel: I really enjoyed the our conversation today and also our guests, maybe if there are some questions.
Izel: But, yeah, for my side, I'm really happy, to have them to have this conversation with you, and thank you again.
Rosie: Thank you so much. And if there's a question, I'd like to answer, but otherwise,
Izel: I Yeah. You can reach also from her Instagram account you see here and also to us, to ask the questions, then I can provide it to Rosie.
Izel: so thank you very much.
Izel: this was our 7th episode, and we will continue to do that. thank you.
Rosie: Thank you, everyone. Bye. Bye.
