Ilay: Let's see. Okay.
Ilay: Receive those, I think.
Izel: Okay.
Ilay: How are you doing?
Izel: Yeah. Fine. Life changes.
Ilay: Good week.
Izel: yeah, I'm grateful that, I have 2 children And, we just started to have, Let's sleep at night.
Izel: Yep.
Ilay: That's the 2nd week for you. I'm
Izel: always, thinking about, lifestyle habits, etcetera. things are changing.
Izel: I need to be I'm trying to be, in the go with the flow.
Izel: What they were coming.
Ilay: You know, lifestyle changes are good. good. Yeah.
Ilay: Lifestyle changes you heard are thought to be, towards perfection or improvement and so on.
Ilay: But it's very important in difficult stages of life.
Ilay: you need a little bit more energy, a little bit, where you're having a little bit of less sleep because you have to.
Ilay: if one of the columns is not the strongest.
Ilay: It does help to strengthen the other columns to keep the building up, isn't it?
Izel: yeah, exactly. It's like, I'm just, doing a small comparison to my first child time, and then I was just forcing myself just to keep continuing work well.
Izel: Older, I don't sleep well. Sometimes it doesn't eat well, etcetera, but now I don't find time to for movement, etcetera.
Izel: But now I'm just trying to accept whatever I have and just to stop and, whenever I need to calm down or, yeah, not a little bit.
Izel: Rest. Yeah. But I'm good. I feel good.
Izel: It's more in ease than just trying to keep up and continue as if nothing changes.
Ilay: We're slowing down sound sometimes continue, continuity.
Ilay: But it might be the key to to be able to move forward. Yeah.
Ilay: That's that's a really good one.
Izel: this week, I just wanted to a little bit talk about, this is our 5th episode, and 4 episodes we talked about different, topics on nutrition.
Izel: We still continue to talk about it, but it I thought that might be interesting to talk why we eat at all, why we eat what we eat, our full choices, and just maybe to bring a little bit mindfulness to the topic in order to maybe we can change our full choices into the direction of a healthy one.
Ilay: Yeah. It's except for the times again where we need to go with whatever is available in general and other than these urgent fees.
Ilay: it's good to have is awareness. what is it about?
Ilay: How do we choose our food? why do we eat what meat? Yeah.
Izel: Good question. I would like to give you, framework maybe of 3 components of the reasons that we eat or how we see in eating
Izel: first of all, head onism, which is like a pleasure, to have pleasure of something.
Izel: food gives us pleasure, of course.
Izel: We talked about also some part of it, the emotional eating and the sugary stuff and more salty, crunchy, things, etcetera.
Izel: it's, food, and activates our, pleasure hormones in our brain so we can, enjoy and have to come when we eat.
Izel: This is one of the component. the second one I would say is, nutritionism.
Izel: I would call that. which means that in order to get the nutrition that we need to keep up to also survive, but also, thrive in life.
Izel: have the energy. whatever we want to do in life, we need to eat.
Izel: I would call that perspective nutritionism.
Izel: And the third one is spirituality, which means, to see the all the cycle of eating and then you know, the the cycle of the the vegetables and the animals, wherever it's animals, then we can give back to the, dirt to the, soil.
Izel: And then, again, we have the same loop of, the life,
Izel: just to see, the eating habits as part of the spirituality, I would give an example.
Izel: The, of course, the the we have not read, but as humans, I'm saying, uh-uh, rituals together, special rituals together with the food, right, for many, many, maybe thousands of years.
Izel: it is very, really good connection of, spirituality and, the food we eat.
Izel: this is the 3, maybe, and, columns, I would say, that we can see as the reason why we need.
Izel: I just want to give my example.
Izel: I see I would say 50% nutritionism, maybe a bit more.
Izel: And then the rest is, health and health head on his, like, the pleasure I get from food and the spirituality I see in the food.
Izel: This is my perspective, as an example. Yeah. That's done.
Ilay: I think that's, like, advanced look at things, isn't it?
Ilay: the one issue we have on the Western world is the use ofmodernism and especially designs is there definitely maybe in the wrong way because while it's activating the pleasure points in the brain, It's also very addictive.
Ilay: this kind of signalization, let's say.
Ilay: And then obviously there are, some brands companies or markets who are really making use of that and, going for addictiveness, especially with this is studied very in detail,
Ilay: the Magic ratio of sweetness, saltiness, and fattiness.
Ilay: hitting the right taste buds at the right amounts so that it's not too much.
Ilay: When it's too sweet, you can't really go on. Which is too salty.
Ilay: You can't really go on, but there's this, balance which seems to be working with a lot of people, where it's difficult to stop.
Ilay: Yeah.
Ilay: breaking that vicious cycle and habits and going for pleasure than almost being addicted to actually being mindful of the nutrition as as you are, you say.
Ilay: It is really, not common. what do you think? Why do you think that is?
Ilay: Is it is it just us personally going there, or is it, what do you think is there?
Ilay: Is is there a reason?
Izel: I would say that it really depends like, from generation to generation, how we, present the food to our kids.
Izel: Yeah. If we, let's say, if they are doing something good that we like, if we give as a, gift as a food that they like.
Izel: this is a real good strong connection between, to having something done that satisfies the parents or other people and getting the food.
Izel: afterwards, the parents are not in our lives, maybe, like, actively in everyday life.
Izel: And then in order to, feel good or get accepted. I don't know in social, environment.
Izel: We choose foods or give foods And then, of course, when we have kids, we do the same thing to our kids.
Izel: We start to give the, the food as a like, a medium of liking and to give them a present or something like that.
Izel: take them to, sweets over ice cream or things like that.
Izel: we are building connections between food and the pleasures, through through generations.
Izel: I think this is the main reason.
Izel: We are if we would as parents give our kids the connection of nutritionism, how the how the food is that we are presenting is related to their, wellness.
Izel: they will take it differently, I will guess, and all the society then afterwards.
Izel: this is also the mindfulness that we can bring. You know, that the break cycle.
Ilay: Yeah. I was when you said presentation, I immediately thought, that's one big reason, probably of the situation.
Ilay: maybe the other reason could be inactivity in this area.
Ilay: not presenting food as anything than the presentation within the advertisements and marketing.
Ilay: then it can take people's mind to anywhere. there could be any kind of approach.
Ilay: that's interesting. Also, this I don't know.
Ilay: it's obviously parents, responsibility, but I was just now thinking it's also school's problem.
Ilay: Because it's not really enough to teach about the digestive system and the algorithm what it does.
Ilay: It should be probably a class to learn about what is organic, how it is different, regenerative farming, how we choose what we need to eat and and the health aspects, in layman terms and obviously with, depending on the age, it should be.
Ilay: Age appropriate, but that could be a good good thing to to have a campaign on so we can maybe come back to that later.
Izel: Yeah. No doubt that the the responsible responsibility is not only on the parents, of course.
Izel: We are society. We are not alone.
Izel: also the states and the countries, the organizations, World Health Organization, a lot of yeah, organization that's, have a part in it.
Izel: I totally agree. It should be more systematic the, yeah, I totally agree with that.
Izel: you also talked about the, the advertisement that we are, yeah, this was also a part of what I would like to touch on, because the three columns that I talked about, which are the pleasure and nutritionism spirituality, they'll look like the other components.
Izel: Maybe they are under them or if it's outside of these three things.
Izel: And, I would like to mention, 1st of all, and I think it's very critical, besides the house, the parents that are, presenting the food to the children, of course, they are a lot of other things that are, having effect on the ARPU choices.
Izel: It can be a religion.
Izel: It can be, our, family in general, not just the parents, of course, by the way, grandparents, etcetera.
Izel: our culture, ethnicity, these are also very strong components, I would say, in that calls us to choose different things.
Izel: And sometimes I just want to give an example that it it is in my mind strongly sometimes the religious choices can be also your our identity.
Izel: let's say it's it's an interesting example I would like to give.
Izel: And and let's say, as my Jewish background, according to the laws of the religion, the Jewish religion, there's a there's rules of the kosher.
Izel: Which means that you, shouldn't eat the meat and the milk products in the same at the same time, together.
Izel: there was an interesting fact that when I came to Israel, I had relatives that that were born or raised in Israel.
Izel: they are not religious people. they don't keep kosher.
Izel: But still when they see on the plate or when I talk about the food that includes also the the meat and the milk, let's say, from Turkey, is Canada kebab, which is yogurt and meat together.
Izel: They just immediately say that, it's sort of like something disgusting or I don't know that they cannot really comprehend it.
Izel: Older they are secular.
Izel: very subconscious, and it's not just religion.
Izel: I just wanted to say it became their identity, this kind of, atmosphere.
Izel: Foods that they they are exposed to. it was very interesting for me at least.
Ilay: It's quite funny in this.
Ilay: I mean, in the in the short term that I live there, my first, experience that I remember about that was, was going to a course, language course.
Ilay: And then during lunch break, I went to a pizza place and asked for a pizza.
Ilay: and then there was no because it had meats, and it I didn't realize it that I went to the Koshi place, it didn't have any cheese on.
Ilay: Then I went back to see if she's gonna choose, what kind of business is is this?
Ilay: And then there's a this in Israel. Of course, this is meat and so on. I said, Tori. Okay.
Ilay: And the next day I went to the next restaurant that was just next to it, physically adjacent It was a burger place and they had pork
Izel: burgers.
Ilay: you you can find anything there. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah.
Izel: Yeah. There is a compact team as well in itself, but, yeah, can be also existing styles in different religions and also the how the implementation of the religion or non implementation, can be different in houses.
Ilay: One more example about identity actions.
Ilay: for example, meet, meet is considered quite masculine to eat, in some cultures.
Ilay: it's like, if you're vegetarian, it is quite remarks and so on. why don't we eat it?
Ilay: And so on. Or if you want to show masculinity, it's like a bit more fierce, approach to food, and it needs to be like animals, like, is it people still have hunt?
Ilay: yeah, that's very related to identity in many, many there could be many other examples probably.
Ilay: Yeah.
Izel: Yeah. I just also wanted to mention the gender, you just covered it.
Izel: And, exactly, then it can be.
Izel: by the way, gender is not It's not only gender, maybe.
Izel: This is the also the the role that we are giving to the gender. Right?
Izel: It's just doesn't supposed to, the men should eat, of course, more meat and the women left, but it's advertising that it's coming with the gender and Yeah.
Izel: that can be combinations. Also, by by the way, age can be also interesting component in different ages, we also can choose different type of foods and maybe more soothing and more calm foods when we get older and more hot stuff when we are young, that we need energy, etcetera.
Izel: It can be also, part of it.
Izel: I just don't want to touch that much the co component of emotional eating because we just had another than that, but we should say that also our emotion, emotional state is very, very critical on our full choices, of course, day to day.
Izel: also, we should talk about, not just the family, parents, etcetera, but are also peers in the workplace.
Izel: Right? It's a social, place.
Izel: when we have the lines together, it is also that, our full choices can be very much, affected by the peers the choices of our peers, right, when they're just, I don't know, ordering pizza and, hamburger, etcetera.
Izel: To eat or a more healthy healthy one can be, sometimes maybe I don't know, embarrassing or something like that for some people.
Izel: it's a challenge to keep up with the healthy choices when you're surrounding are not, having been the same mindset.
Ilay: Yeah. That's also the ancient reaction isn't it trying to fit into society so that you're not left alone because we used to be living in still in community.
Ilay: And if if you were alone, you had very little chance of surviving.
Ilay: that's another interesting, balancing act because are you surviving by being a part of, a community now?
Ilay: Are you surviving because you're eating better and so. you need to probably balance that a little bit.
Izel: Yeah. Exactly.
Ilay: With that, there's also habitual, isn't it?
Ilay: it could be especially in UK, for example, it's very habitual to go to a pub.
Ilay: You'll have some pub foods. Usually, it's like, you know, and so on.
Ilay: Want their friends in in this society and community there, but also it becomes quite habitual.
Ilay: it's it's just after almost like identity.
Ilay: that's another combination with evil ritual, habits, social environment.
Ilay: They're all again mixed together, and the food is in the sandwich. So that's really important.
Izel: Yeah. There is no doubt that the food is, part of the culture. Right?
Izel: when you, let's say you go to a new country and you want to not get to know the new culture of the country that you're going to.
Izel: What you do, one of the main things that you do is to to to try their food, right, especially when it's really different from yours.
Izel: Let's say Japanese food is very different than that, to Anatole and put Turkey or, I don't know, in Middle East, Good.
Izel: this is a part of its culture. Yeah.
Izel: I would say one more interesting point, which can be also relevant for maybe all of us, most of us, it's not.
Izel: I would also combine the full choice and also control especially when we grow up and our parents are trying to, expose on us like, the the day there, their choices.
Izel: Sometimes in order to be in control, not on the food only, right, they can just to, I don't know, I would I would say it, but, like, educate you.
Izel: In that process, the child can give re as a reaction to having the control on the foot because since when we are young, not always, we have the, control on the choices in the house.
Izel: Right? The parents are more mostly dominant. It depends also parent in the file.
Izel: But, anyway, also in the school, there are rules, and we should keep up with the rules, etcetera.
Izel: the food choice is one of our control points as individuals, small like a young individual that we can say I won't eat, or I will eat too much.
Izel: It's just a reaction. Not just but it was simple, but it's a it can be a very serious topic, but it's a, important topic, I think, to see food to understand that food can be a control of the young person as a reaction to the parental or society.
Izel: Pressure. Okay.
Ilay: Yeah. I I have a nice story around that.
Ilay: which, again, just reminded me of during my theoretical coaching course.
Ilay: this was an internal, chats and the trainer was looking for someone from the, students, to come, like, if you may come to the stage for a hypnosis session.
Ilay: And, they were asking, you know, what issue are you having?
Ilay: You know, at the moment, let's see if we can sort it out in in the session.
Ilay: And one of the students said, I would love my husband not to bring home any, snacks, chugreek snacks.
Ilay: And then first, he was saying, you want you and me to have a session to change your husband's habits.
Ilay: It doesn't make sense. but she said it very emotionally.
Ilay: at the end, the teacher, the tutor chose her.
Ilay: And then after the session, it was revealed that she couldn't stop eating those snacks when they came home.
Ilay: Obviously, the the work was around her actions at the end.
Ilay: and it was revealed that she was doing it as a Exactly, as you said, to stand up against the parents, which never allowed her to eat any snacks at home.
Ilay: So when there was any there were any snacks at home, she was eating all of them thinking she was now kind of saying no to the parents.
Ilay: and without realizing it, obviously, consciously, and then this was brought up, during the sessions.
Ilay: And This was one of her biggest issues also relation wise because she was also, putting it on her husband's that she was he was mining some stuff.
Ilay: And so on. very, again, central.
Izel: Yeah. So it is really it can be very, complex combination of different components that we talk about their emotions, their the control, there are the family relationships from parents to the next generations.
Izel: it can be really complex Yeah.
Izel: I have one more point to mention, which can also be, my sort of my short story about that.
Izel: I can add. also morality can be a part of our full choices.
Izel: What I mean with that is just maybe classic example, but also for me, like, 7, 8, maybe I don't remember exactly what 10 years ago.
Izel: I decided to be vegetarian, and my main motivation was, and and that the the animals are,
Ilay: floaters.
Izel: Floaters also not treated well in the process of also getting slaughtered.
Izel: they're exposed to many things that they don't they shouldn't be exposed to.
Izel: I was like 7 years vegetarian mainly because of that reason, also health reasons in in the back in the background, but most consciously, it was the morality.
Izel: And then, I had some chronic health issues, and one of the therapeutic, nutrition wise, solution was to, eat more like the, meat and fat and less carbohydrates.
Izel: I just wanted to try that, which helped me a lot but it's another topic.
Izel: But anyway, I decided to eat meat. it was really, really hard for me to start with.
Izel: Although it was for my, wellness, but still, my morality side was saying we shouldn't eat that or you don't not shouldn't, but I don't want to eat really, so that the animals would get, the treatment they are getting because I eat meat.
Izel: afterwards, I decided to anyway, I decided that I need to eat that and give give it a try.
Izel: But in order to feel better, at least, I said I will say sorry every time that I will eat food, like animal product, that he he or he went, process of, like, not taking well and be treated well and also slaughtered at the end.
Izel: it's, interesting, process that I was going through from morality to my wellness, but also, giving the my gratitude that they are giving me energy and the help that I need.
Izel: I just wanted to mention spirituality and the nutritionism and the morality can be also a very, part of the process.
Izel: With an example.
Ilay: Yeah. so many topics.
Ilay: it is I was just thinking, sometimes when we listen to these, they kind of all make sense.
Ilay: But without as we started about your week without slowing down and checking in.
Ilay: We don't really have the real answers in most cases about why we're eating, what we're eating.
Ilay: with that, I Also, remembered about what you mentioned about spirituality.
Ilay: there was a big part of it is also not eating. in in two levels.
Ilay: Obviously, it could be religious. And also if you are talking about spirituality with the feeling of 1 less and the 1 grade energy field and and quick moves, etcetera.
Ilay: I also mentioned deciding in one of the previous episodes.
Ilay: The feeling of, one that apparently needs the brain to run on and that happens the easiest when you're fasting.
Ilay: that's also really interesting. Well, because in most religions, religions.
Ilay: The highest level of spiritualities usually going hand to hand hand in hand with fasting.
Ilay: And then in general, there's this also, situation.
Ilay: I don't know if it would be easier if you're just starting on fasting, but during fasting, if you're running on ketones, And if you're able to slow down, it will be interesting maybe to see, to see any deep answers.
Ilay: You might have why you were eating what you're eating.
Ilay: The day before or what when you're planning and, almost fantasizing about what to eat after the fast.
Ilay: Also, why are you thinking about those foods? is there any deeper, you know, reason to that?
Ilay: And no, it's just they don't need them all. Whatever.
Ilay: that's also another kind of exercise for people who are interested in. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I just also wanted to, like, sort of, summarize what I started with that the mainly, we have the reasons of, like, the pleasure, getting pleasure from the from the food that we and, nutritional reasons that we want the nutrition from that food, in order to have the energy for the life and also the spirituality, as
Izel: you said, to have one being life as a as a all the creatures in the world.
Izel: We are part of it, and we're just, eating other creatures and then giving birth to other creatures through the when we take the food out.
And so, as as a pro from the practical point of view, I just also wanted to say that I would start with, like, if some person, let's say, just wanted to, by the way, I I would be very happy if you write in the comments your questions or other things, your comments, by the way, that we
Izel: can see and respond if we, if we can.
Izel: practical, from the practical sense, let's say when we wake up in the morning, and we just feel the, the urge to eat something.
Izel: We can ask ourselves why do I want to eat now?
Izel: And whenever it comes to your mind, maybe what do you want to eat?
Izel: You can ask why I want to eat that specific food now. just a simple question.
Izel: And, also, you can continue with the after you're eating whatever you choose.
Izel: You can just see, your senses. How do you feel?
Izel: where do you feel on your body?
Izel: That sensation, which is can be pleasure or calmness, all sort of things that you can feel on your body in order to just to get the connection back with what we what we eat and how we feel.
Izel: And, this this can be one practice just to be more mindful about before eating and after eating.
Izel: And another What
Ilay: what would you say? About the next step.
Ilay: I have this sensation about, let's say, copied Yeah.
Ilay: My mom used to have coffee in the morning.
Ilay: when I wake woke up, I remember a lot of times, I have quite a few memories where I was smelling the coffee, which I liked.
Ilay: And then maybe I'm going for the coffee even though I know, ideally, you should have caffeine in the 1st 90 minutes after you wake up.
Ilay: But when I wake up, I I remember that memory and I have that in my mind.
Ilay: what would you suggest? Or comment on about the next step now.
Ilay: So I know why I want it. I kind of know it's not the best if I have it now.
Ilay: what then?
Great question. I think it's also it's really directly connected to, in my mind, at least, that why we and I don't want to make it dramatic, but the the, according to the, Buddhism, the reason that we suffer is that generally when we want something that we don't have or, we don't want that we don't want something
Izel: that we already have.
Izel: Okay. in this case, it's not that dramatic, but you gave an example of coffee that you know that you don't you don't want to actually drink it for your wellness and long term healthy first thing in the morning, at least.
Izel: But on the other hand, it gives you something. Right?
Izel: There's a reason that you drink it and you you mentioned it, mindfully that it makes you remember your early childhood experiences and nice experience with the from your house and, and your with your mother, father, etcetera.
Izel: I would say, I would suggest that if, first of all, let's say you don't know why you the first thing that you drink is the coffee.
Izel: Okay. You gave the reason, but maybe you don't know, let's say, some other person.
Izel: If you ask yourself in the morning, if and slow down as you suggested, when you drink it, sensations are coming to your body and sensations can take you to your emotions and also your memory.
Izel: then you can remember that, just a minute.
Izel: I remember the good sensations, the same sensations on my body when when I was having a good time with my brother.
Izel: Okay. So, there is the connection now.
Izel: Why you drink coffee because it makes you feel as if you are with your mother.
Izel: if you don't want to drink coffee in the first thing in the morning, you can think about another solution and we'll do this creativity, maybe, but can replace it in order to have the original reason that I'm drinking coffee.
Izel: Maybe you can have a phone call in the morning with your mother or if she is available.
Izel: And if she's in life.
Izel: If not, maybe you can take your album and see the pictures and just remember those times.
Izel: Just an example that popped up by night.
Ilay: Yeah. Nice. this was if you don't have an answer before the experience, of having it.
Ilay: Then slowing even further down during the experience to get the key.
Ilay: you may not have the, answer beforehand because you are not in it.
Ilay: You are not in the experience.
Ilay: So that makes sense because I said I would know it because, obviously, I have kind of worked on it, and and I know the answer now.
Ilay: But probably not the first time I asked the question to myself. that's a very good point. Yeah.
Ilay: yeah. that that's that's really, is a good tip without feeling any guilt, any problems, any issues, just going for the benefit in a different way, if you don't want the other one.
Ilay: Yeah.
Izel: Yeah. Yeah. It's also, like, addressing the root cause. Right?
Izel: The the root cause there is the feeling of the being with the mother.
Izel: And not drink coffee and have the pleasure of the coffee or students of the coffee.
Izel: then you can just address that root cause with another tool. Yeah.
Ilay: Perfect. Again, thank you for the very, track advice as always.
Ilay: before we conclude, any questions from the audience, or any, anything you wanted to add?
Ilay: Inside.
Izel: It can be also you know, through Instagram, our account, you can also always write to us.
Izel: also send messages from through our website www.coreacts.com.
Ilay: Link in bio, and there there's another link also to the PDFs that we provide for these podcasts.
Ilay: if you're interested in that. that's in, Instagram accounts, call acts.
Ilay: And
Izel: yeah. Thank you, Eli, by the way.
Ilay: My pleasure as always.
Izel: Really nice to have a conversation.
Izel: Together, also as my brother with you, but also like having these conversations, dialogue, and you bring up a lot of your insights and experiences and knowledge.
Izel: that's why I just wanted to thank you.
Ilay: That that's probably showing that I'm getting older and older. So which is good.
Ilay: Likewise. Likewise. it's really enjoyable. Alright.
Ilay: I shall see everyone next week.
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